SPEAKER_00 0:00

Today, I have the honor to speak with back-to-back Broad Street Run champion Josh Azutsky. Josh not only won the 10-mile race, but he did so in an impressive 45 minutes and eight seconds. That is roughly a four-minute and 30-second mile pace. This unbelievable performance not only set a course record, but it marked the fastest 10-mileer ever by an American. Josh joins me to discuss this amazing accomplishment. He explains what he believes makes the Broad Street run unique, how he approached it, how he managed to run the course 65 seconds faster than his winning time last year, and what it meant to him to set a course record at the largest 10-mile race in the country. Roughly 40,000 runners raced down Broad Street. And Josh tells me what it was like leading the pack with the huge crowds who came out to cheer and bring the energy that only Philly can provide. Josh unpacks what he did differently that allowed him to be aggressive on race day, how he stays consistent and dialed in with his training, and how his mentality and belief helped him run at his best. Josh recently signed as a professional runner with A6, and he is set to move closer to his family in the New Jersey, Pennsylvania area with his fiancee and dogs. I'm Jake Penasevich, and this is the Yoga with Jake Podcast. Man, busy uh busy week for you, huh? This how you feeling?

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Good. Yeah. We um I was up in up in Pennsylvania and I drove back down to North Carolina yesterday. So uh yeah, yesterday I was pretty much driving all day, and then I saw your messages come through and I was gonna respond. I was like, well, I probably shouldn't do it while I'm driving, and then yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Uh worked out, man. I'm I'm so happy that uh that you reached out to do this. I just I sometimes don't want to bug you. Uh you're good.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

You're good. You're better off bugging me because sometimes I'll see something and be like, I'll respond to that like an hour, and then I'll be like, oh yeah, that was like five weeks ago. Just now I just feel like an idiot. So you're better off just bothering me.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah, man. I um I don't I don't know what to say. I feel so uh pumped for you. Congratulations, man, and uh broad street run, another win and a uh course record and fastest 10 mile in uh fastest American to run a 10 mile. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Yeah, uh well thank you. Um, but yeah, so it's uh the course is a point-to-point course, and like the uh 50% rule or whatnot with uh world athletics doesn't allow it to be uh a record eligible. So um, but it's the fastest time, it's an it's an American best, it's the fastest time all conditions run by an American. So um, you know, it was a pretty it was a good run. I'm pretty proud of it. So um it's got had a you know got a cramp in the middle there for hot seconds. So you know, there was a little bit of uh I kind of saw I'm the only one that knows that. So I was like, man, that was I left a few seconds out there on the table, but uh it was it was still a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Yeah, my goodness, man. I um it's so impressive for folks. Just could you refresh people on your finished time? And um, yeah, what it was one or sorry, 45 minutes, eight seconds, point three three. Is that right?

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Yeah, I think I think that's the down to the a hundredth of a second there. But yeah, it was it was 4508. They like to round up.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Okay, okay. And for folks trying to do math in their head, that is about a four minute 50 some second mile pace. Is that right?

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Uh it's it's four, it's four thirty point eight, I think, seconds per mile. So um I was on 430, right under 430 for most of the way, and then uh eight miles, I got a really nasty side stitch, and I was like, uh I'm I was right in front of the camera there when they were on the motorcycle, and I was like, I know they're talking about this on TV right now because I'm like trying to rub out my stomach and have my arm up. So uh lost a few seconds there, but it was 430 pace, and uh, you know, I kind of knew the whole way, like as long as I was like 30 seconds at the odd miles and double zero at the even miles, I'd be on pace to be right around 45 minutes. So uh it was easy math during the race.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Okay, okay. Are you uh during the race uh cognizant of your pace? Are you like the rest of us where we're checking our watches, or are you just dead focused?

SPEAKER_01 4:53

I was I was mostly just checking uh when I got to each mile mark or what it was. I I looked uh with about a quarter mile to go, I looked because I said there was a banner that said a quarter mile to go, and I looked to see how far or close I was to like 45 flat. And I regardless if it was a little off or on, I was like, I got like 75 seconds to make this last quarter mile, so I'm I'm good. So I think that's the only time I the only time I uh actually like check my watch. I split my watch every mile just so I could see what each mile was at post-race, but I didn't look when I split. So I the clock was there. That's the official time anyway.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Okay. Awesome. Well, could you walk me through, Josh, your uh your race with Broad Street? Are you with the rest of us on the the subway and early in the morning uh trekking up? Or how does it work when you're in that first uh group to send off?

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Yeah, I mean, I I wasn't on the subway just because I was coming from my parents' place, which is just uh you know north uh in Doylestown. So, but they they dropped me off like you know a few blocks up over by the um uh whichever septa stop that is just north of the starting line. Um, so you know, I got out there and I just walked down to the you know tent area where like the elites were all sitting and everything. And um, but yeah, it was basically the same sort of setup. There was nothing like much different. I mean, I two years ago or 23 when I ran the race, I stayed at my brother's place and he lived right over by uh Divine Lorraine. And uh I took the step up the morning uh like stepped up and uh just got out and just raced and was good, what just went. So pretty pretty pretty similar-ish morning.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Awesome. That's then so at the start of the race, did you feel as if you were ready to roll? Could you um kind of walk me through the progression of the race? You know, in the beginning, there, how many are in your pool of elite runners to start? And it seems, well, obviously you start together. And so what was your your feeling, your sense as you got out of the starting gate? How'd you feel?

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Um, yeah, I mean, I guess to take it back a little bit further, um, I ran the LA Marathon in early March. So um Broad Street was eight weeks afterwards. Um, so I basically, you know, had like two weeks or so of recovery post-race, and then it was like six weeks training into this race. Um, and you know, marathon still takes some time to recover from too, but uh, you know, I ran a half marathon in Jersey City two weeks before, and I actually used it as a workout. I was doing alternating miles within the race, and I PR'd by over a minute for the half, and I crossed the line. I was like, that's the easiest, you know, 62-minute half marathon I've ever run. It's the only one I've run, but it was very much easier than all my previous half. So um, from that point, I knew you know I was feeling good going into the race. You know, I I, you know, I ran was able to run with my brother a lot up there, and I was telling him like right after Jersey City that uh I felt like I was probably in 45-30 shape, but you know, you never know until you get out there in the day. Um, but uh, you know, training was, you know, nothing I did in training was, you know, you wouldn't look at it and go, wow, like you're ready to hit a home run here. It was just like consistent uh putting in the day. If my body was tired one day, I still just gave the effort that was needed on the day. Um, and it was, you know, it came together on race day. So um I did an 800 like tempo piece uh 20 minutes before the race and I ran like 206 or 207. So uh on my watch split. Um, but uh I knew when I ran that and it felt comfortable, I was like, okay, today's gonna be, you know, pretty good. But uh actually when I got to the mile, we're at the mile at 432, and I knew that 430 is about what I wanted to hold, and I was a little bit worried there. I was like, uh oh, maybe I don't feel as good as I thought. Um but I picked it up and I was like 1759, then at four miles. So I was already under 430 pace and made up the difference. So uh every mile that went by, I kind of just gained confidence that you know I was closer to the finish line and uh you know it at ate my at some points. You know, there's good patches, bad patches in the race, and um some of the uh rougher patches, I was like, you know, it's okay if you, you know, it's okay if this mile is like 434 or 435. You can make it up in the next mile, but that not mile actually never that never really happened. So uh, you know, it I was lucky that the whole race kind of went pretty seamlessly, other than just one cramp at eight miles.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

So wow, that's uh it's incredible. Do you uh was there anything you said you pretty much stayed the course with your training? Um, but what was different? Obviously, you know, this I imagine I imagine this is your personal best 10 mile, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, and um you know, better than you did last year with Broad Street, even. And um was it did you notice anything different in this training cycle? Like were you sounded like you felt really good coming into that uh Jersey City half? You said you felt really strong. Um was it what do you what do you credit that to? Is there anything that was different? Was it you know uh anything more on point? Did you just stay healthier with injuries and pain or anything going on there?

SPEAKER_01 10:01

Yeah, I mean, so I used to um for the last eight years I ran for Zap Endurance um in Blowing Rock uh in Boom, North Carolina, and um after you know 20 some years of you know their existence, they um are basically forced to shut their doors because of just like money issues, just no corporate sponsor wanted to help to sponsor the team. Um, so I ended up moving down to Durham, and um I think it was just a good change. My fiance was down here um in meds or in residency. Um so I think just you know, the simple fact that I was like pretty much stationed in one spot then. Um I started, you know, or just you know, just simple things like I noticed, like, you know, I don't dwell on or I don't go off of too much data and stuff, but like I noticed I was like, oh yeah, I'm kind of I'm sleeping about an hour more at night and stuff. So just like small things here and there like that that maybe were uh contributed. But um I think the biggest thing was just I finally got a good stretch of like you know, 15, 16 weeks since uh I uh was just healthy and able to run and uh really take advantage and not you know, just the consistency in training I think is just what kind of was able allowed me to be able to see what I was actually I knew was always there, but was never able to show. So um I think it was just you know a few little things like that that just like changed and uh it was finally, you know, came together last weekend. So hopefully, you know, going forward now I'm gonna run Gold Coast Marathon in July. So hopefully that can just keep nothing really much needs to change other than just keep doing what I'm doing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Wonderful. And do you think, you know, I I talked to a lot of folks, um doctors and uh psychiatrists, and uh when it comes to pain, like chronic pain, there's a lot of talk about the biopsychosocial uh component of health. And you know, with the change, all these changes with Zap uh going under and maybe some unknown there, and then did but it sounds like your mental health maybe contributed in a good way. It sounded like you were in a good place. Like, did he do anything to keep you keep you uh steady mentally?

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Um yeah, I mean there, I mean, I'm not I mean it was it was stressful for you know a few months there, um, where it was just like I'm basically unemployed. Uh so um, but I think you know, this being a professional runner or athlete, you know, you're kind of just having an inherent like uh confidence in yourself. So uh I think I just trusted what I was doing, and that you know, when the races came along, you know, stuff would start to fall in place. And I ran the LA Marathon, you know, it was a really hot day. Um, I ran a pretty tough race. I got I ended up fourth. Um, but uh, you know, I was lucky enough that after that that um, you know, I've been chatting with ASICs and uh, you know, we were able to get a deal going and that kind of took a lot of uh the stress out of my life of like having to worry about that like kind of financial side of everything where I could just like now just train. Um so but yeah, I would say my the you know mentally, yes, there was always there's always the stress of it, but I you know I kind of just always had that belief in myself. So um it made it you know looking back now easy. But that's when I lumped together all those four or five months, not every day, every day or every night when you're just like, oh man, I gotta figure this out. So sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Yes. So you're now with A6, and um how did that come about and and how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01 13:45

I mean, I feel great. I mean, they I've always, you know, loved their shoes. I've loved, I've liked, I liked the way the race kits look the best for so many years. So um it's it's you know, it's a dream come true. Um, you know, I have an agent and uh he kind of worked uh doesn't get any credit um for it, but he works behind the scenes and he's pretty much the one that got this all done and uh just made just said to me, just just run fast and you know, good things will happen. So uh, you know, he steered me in the right direction as far as racing goes and everything. And uh my coach that was with at Zap, he's still working with me. And you know, we were all on the same page, and you know, it allowed me to just kind of just do what I do, and um, everything fell into place. So, but yeah, I'm beyond excited to be with ASICs, and you know, Broad Street was my first like official real race with them. Uh, so I'm you know happy to you know have the American Best 10 Mile and uh the ASICs family. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Excellent. What uh what shoe do you choose to race in um with ASICs?

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Um so I've uh I wore the cloud uh not cloud, I wore the MetaSpeed Ray uh at uh Broad Street, and then at the uh LA Marathon, I wore the edges, and then I train in the skies. Um my my cadence kind of is more of like you as I I pick I increase my speed through a higher cadence rather than like the sky where it's like for runners that have longer strides. So um those shoes work best for me, but I wore the rays, and I think those uh those might be uh the shoes I go with for the marathon, but I'll experiment a little bit with that uh going forward.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Awesome. I uh have a special place in my heart for ASICs. I wrestled my whole life for years as a kid. Oh ASICs was the only shoe that made wrestling shoes. It's really funny. So it's uh they're like the old school uh wrestling shoe.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

The A6 were the first uh pair of spikes I ever got uh when I ran cross country, you know, 20 some years ago. So uh it's kind of like full circle now.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Yeah, man, that's so great, so great. Congrats. Uh that's amazing. And um I was curious what uh what in your opinion makes Broad Street sp particularly special?

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Um, you know, broad, I mean, for Broad Street it's the largest 10 mile in the country, it's the biggest race in Philly. Um, for me, it's always been a bucketless race to go um and win when I got that last year. You know, I kind of set my sights a little higher this year, um, and I was able to uh achieve both of them. So going forward, we'll have to set some more goals. Uh, but uh, you know, it's it's not like any other race in the country. Like, you know, typically if you're at a big marathon or um any like race that has like a you know a pro or elite field, they kind of keep you all separate. Like, you know, you they bring you to the starting line, you're right at the starting line, you're in a tent, you're you know, you're kept away from the masses, and you finish, and same thing. You're brought into a tent, you're kept away from the masses, you don't see anybody versus Broad Street. You know, it's like the same thing. It's like I woke up in the morning, I drove down with my parents, they dropped me off, I walked to the starting line. Everyone that's racing there, you know, you can warm up with anybody, you know. Basically, I mean, they have the elites start a little bit earlier for the race, but as soon as you finish, everyone just you know pours into the Navy yard and you know, you can chat and talk to anybody post-race. And then um the Bucks County Roadrunners always send down a uh bus to the for uh for the race, and I don't know, 50 some people probably race, and then they always have a tailgate afterwards. So, you know, after the race, after the awards and everything, I get to go over to the uh, you know, the stadium lots and do a you know post uh post-race tailgate, which is always fun too. And you get to hear how everyone else did rather than just like, all right, hop on the bus, we're going back to the hotel, and you don't get to see anybody. So it's it's you know, running's a very um, it should be a very inclusive sport, you know, everyone should everyone can do it, so it's relatable. So you it that's what makes Broad Street unique is that you're able to do that there. And it's such a high profile and such a big race. Plus, it's lined with people the whole way and everyone's cheering for you and just boost your adrenaline.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

So yeah, man. It's city's buzzing that day. I uh like a holiday. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 40,000 runners, I think they said it's crazy. Um, you were done well before most people uh jumped off, I think.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Yeah, I mean they do the waves like you know, uh timed off. So uh I mean I get a little bit of a head start being in the first wave, but uh you know, when you have 40,000 people like that, the it's you you just gotta wait your turn. Luckily, we got chip timing.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I uh I was just curious when you're going and you're locked in, do you even pay attention or notice? Like, I think there's been some broad streets where I know I my goal was just to finish. I didn't have I had some injuries, and so I just wanted to enjoy the run in the city. So, you know, you take in like the temple marching band in the north in North Philly and around City Hall, it gets pretty packed with fans, and it's it's kind of like heartwarming to see the city get together for something positive. But when you're that dialed in, I mean, do you even are you even noticing any of this? So do you pretty much tunnel vision?

SPEAKER_01 19:19

No, I mean, I I mean, I say I would say when I ran the race, I pretty much noticed. I mean, it might not have looked like I noticed, but I did notice like no, I remember going past the band. I think I gave them a thumbs up. Um, if I saw anyone I knew, um, I would, you know, point at them or give them a thumbs up, just like acknowledge that I saw them and make sure that they, you know, like thank them for what for being out there. And then even other people that were out there too, you know, little kids that are yelling and wave to them, it kind of takes your mind off of what you're doing a little bit because if you're locked in all the time, I feel like all you're gonna be thinking about is just like, man, this is this is kind of hard. You know, by distracting yourself in a way you can uh by you know, engaging with the fans and stuff and everyone that comes out to support you, because you know, they they do help you run faster. So um it's kind of a way to give back, but also like you I don't I can't focus for 45 minutes locked in like that, it's just too hard. Yeah, so I gotta I gotta distract myself.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

Do you uh now anyone who runs knows or that's pushed themselves knows there's uh a uh threshold of suck that you have to deal with if you're pushing yourself? Yeah, how does how does Josh handle that um when you feel you're pushing up against maybe your boundary of of what's possible for you and and it's starting to to get hard? Do you have a mantra or what's going through your your mind and how do you how do you uh work through that or work with that, I guess?

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah, I mean, I think every every race has a point you you know you try it try to get to because you know you know once you get to that point, you like you can kind of see the finish line, then it's like a mental game where it's like, okay, I can see the finish line. Light at the end, there's light at the end of the tunnel, I can get there. Um, so I think just knowing where that is, but inherently in every race, you're gonna have like waves of of emotion and just waves of like feeling good and feeling bad. And I think just you know, riding the wave when you're feeling bad and knowing that you'll come out of it, even if it's just mental, um, you know, helps helps me to get through those, like a few of those patches here and there. Um, you know, some races are obviously, you know, you're having a bad patch like almost every mile, and other races it's like one or two the whole race. So it just depends on the race. But I think just you know, being in control of your emotions out there and confident in what you're doing um allows you to or allows me at least to uh handle like that wave of like, okay, I'm not feeling great right now, but you know, let's get to that, you know, let's get to City Hall, it's you know, one block away and we'll reassess there. So So um I think for me that's probably what I do. Um but uh you know everyone's different in what they're how they handle that sort of stuff. Um but for me that's probably the what I do.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Do you uh have in the back of your mind, is it a uh confidence boost to just know you've put in the work? Like the hay's been made, like you've you've put in your training, you'd know it's good training, and now just let it fly. Like is do you does that give you some confidence?

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Yeah, I think when you um when you execute each workout every day um and you're feeling good, um, and you know you've done it at the proper like uh uh the proper pace or the proper like training zone that you're supposed to be for the day, um, that gives me confidence going into the race. And then you know, Broad Street's a course that you know you can afford to be pretty aggressive and um you you know basically even split it the whole way just by the nature of the course. Um so, but yeah, I mean, when uh I start hitting workouts that I'm starting to feel good and it's like weeks out, weeks out, and then even just like going to Jersey City and seeing that result, it's like, okay, I'm ready to, you know, I did that one, I did run Jersey City and it was in mid of 130 mile weeks. So I'm like, okay, if I drop my mileage by 50 miles this week, I'm probably gonna feel a lot better. So, you know, it kind of just like you know, self uh propels its it propels itself almost in a way. It's you know, you're feeling good, workout goes good, and you know, it's just like snowball keeps rolling down the hill, getting bigger and bigger.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

So I love that. When you say Broad Street specifically lends itself to being aggressive, what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_01 23:41

So, you know, I mean the first like three miles of the race are pretty fast. So, I mean, I kind of after the last two years of racing it, I've kind of come to the you know conclusion that you can uh if you if you have like an A plus goal, you could probably set it for that day and you can go out at you know, all the best runs usually in history have all been like negative split. You know, we saw it in London recently. They went out in like 60 flat and came back in like 59 flat or whatever it was that there was, but they still negative split. And Broad Street's a course like that where you can do that. You can be aggressive up front, and because the first three miles are so fast, you can lock into that pace of being aggressive early. Um, you'll might you might even split or negative split by slightly on the back half, but it's not because uh it's only because uh but you're uh because the course isn't quite as flat, it's because it's flat there, you know, it's not as fast. So your effort will be harder. But uh, you know, it's a I feel like it's a good, it's a race that you can run where you're you can be afforded to be aggressive in in the early stages and not really pay for it too badly on the back end, depending on uh how hard you go out.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Sure, sure. Um do you when did you feel as if you had it you're pulling away from the field? When did you think that um, or when did you start to notice yourself getting some distance away from your competitors? Was it halfway were you past uh City Hall already, or or when did you start to feel yourself, or do you even pay attention to that when you're going?

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Yeah, I mean it's a hard thing to tell when you're running. I mean, you can I don't really I didn't turn around and take a look. You know, you can kind of just like listen to the clo crowds when they cheer, like when you go by, and then they get silent, wait for them to get loud again. So if I'm not hearing them get loud again, means the gap has getting gotten bigger and bigger. Um, but I wasn't too concerned. Um, I mean, I don't want to say I wasn't too concerned about the competition, but uh I I had my race plan and I knew if I executed that, that I was gonna have a very good day. I can't control what anyone else does. Um, but I knew if I ran my race that I would have a good day. So um I think uh 430 pace was an aggressive pace that I don't know if anyone that wanted to run that pace. So I feel like at three miles, to answer your question, I feel like at three miles is pretty much where I was like, okay, I've I put a good gap on everybody by like 10, 15 seconds already, and I'm not feeling like I'm gonna be slowing down. So um it might grow um as long as I don't slow down, I shouldn't get caught. But you know, I still run as if I'm there's somebody right behind me. Sometimes I'll try and trick myself and listen to my own feet footprints or feet hitting the ground and think it's somebody else.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

So I was gonna ask, yeah, I was gonna ask how you um maintain that focus and pace when uh sometimes you're maybe maybe you're ahead of the field or there's nobody around. And so that's yeah, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Yeah, I mean, or the other time is I'll try and like catch the you know truck in front of me or the motorcycle. Obviously, if they want to pull away, they can pull away, but I'll still pretend like, oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna try and go catch the you know car in front of me that's the clock on it. So I love it. Even if it helps for a minute or two through a rough patch or something, or a good patch, even just like playing a game with yourself when you're out there.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Nice. I um usually there's I remember I interviewed Amber Zimmerman who had won it the previous two years. Um, but there was this gentleman in a banana suit that nearly caught her. Yeah. And she's like, man, this banana is running pretty fast. Do you ever think you'll run a race in a banana suit?

SPEAKER_01 27:29

I think maybe when I'm retired, I'll be running some races in banana suits or something like that. I'll I'll I'll gladly stop at the uh you know stations where people are handing out beer and stuff then grab when grab a beer mid-race, but there you go. For the foreseeable for a few next few years, probably not. Yeah. So but that's what that's the that's the my retirement tour, my retirement races.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Yeah. Would go around winning turkey trots and such. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Awesome. Yeah. Do you uh you know what else uh kept you on point? It sounds like you're living right, like you're getting more a little more rest, it sounded like you're in a good space, mental heads headspace. I was very curious with that with zap and a lot of things going on. It sounds like you're very dialed in. What else? Uh yeah, what else is uh is uh helping you out here? Is it diet? Uh you doing anything extra as far as recovery. Do you do uh I mean, I love yoga, but I'd like to think. I was like, maybe Josh is doing some yoga.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

What is I mean, I am in a I am in a way. I mean, I really uh after New York in 24, I really kicked up my strength training and everything. And a lot of the stuff is like kind of like I mean, I don't know for sure because I don't do yoga, but it is seems like very yoga-ish movements and stuff. Um, more of like getting stronger outside the plane of running and what so. Um, so I think um that's definitely helped. And it took, you know, a good year, year and a half for it to actually like come through in training. Um, but uh so that that's probably been like one of the other biggest things that I didn't mention before. I actually got an offer to finish up in Jersey um right around the same time that the ASICs thing came through for me. So uh I was pretty, you know, it was pretty it was a pretty good month for us as far as like what the previous months had been. So that kind of helped a lot too. Um, I think just in training, being like in a less, you know, cortisol levels was lower.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

To put it this simply.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Nice. So maybe some shifts in your strength training as well.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely, that that has definitely helped. I mean, it became a priority where it's like, you know, morning run, afternoon run, strength work. You know, that was kind of just like, you know, the boring, boring day. Just run, run, strength work, and just kept repeating that. And, you know, took took some time for my body to, you know, I guess I guess I was stronger, but it took time for it to be able to handle it within the amount of running I was doing and trying to, you know, what I was trying to get out of my body. So um, but I think that was probably, you know, one of the biggest things that's contributed to like at least the last few months of sustained health.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Now does does that look like um running specific weight training? I'm picturing like coordination drills on one leg, those sort of stability like exercises, or what does that look like?

SPEAKER_01 30:28

It's a lot, it's a lot of mobility type stuff that would be, you know, um, I think like yoga type movements, you know, some stuff like moving with smaller weights, just like in a position um that's outside of like the normal running motion. Um so I'm stronger outside of that motion. And um, so I think that's um definitely helped me, you know, maintain my strengths that way when I'm running, I'm not like you know, if I have like three or different types of strengths, you know, I'm not using just one. I have I'm stronger everywhere. So um but uh yeah, I mean a lot, I usually I have like three or four days that I roll through and like seven to eight uh exercises, and then you know, I do like you know 10 squats in the or 10 five sets of like 10 squats like with a band in the morning, do some like uh Copenhagen type stuff with like a band, you know, a lot of just like mobility type stuff to help me like uh wake up my body before runs as well, which I think has helped activate all the muscles and everything, especially like the smaller ones.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Okay. And you think that is uh contributed to you staying healthy as well and uh pain free?

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Okay, yeah, for sure. I mean, I think you know it's just I think I've just had to uh change how I train um as I've gotten older now, and just you know, it's not a it's nothing wrong with it, it's just understanding what works now versus what worked before. You know, I'm not 21 and can roll out of bed after you know four hours of sleep and be doing hard work, I'd be totally fine. If I did that now, I'd be like, yeah, I got something tweaked. But but it doesn't mean but I'm running faster than I ever was before too. So uh what what I'm doing is working well.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

So awesome. And I think did I see that you also see a uh chiropractor?

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah, I see I see um a chiropractor um up by my like up in Doyle's town at the uh advanced uh spine and sports. And um, you know, I've known him since I was I mean, he used to kick my butt back when I was like nine in races and stuff. Uh but I started working with him when I was like a freshman in high school. So I've known him for many, many years. So, you know, he pretty much knows where a lot of my issues might arise and everything like that. But he's he's I mean he's a chiropractor, but he's more than a chiropractor as far as like soft tissue work and everything that he does. So uh he's he's he's he's pretty good at what he does. But I'm bothered.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Nice. Um sounds like you're good at being very consistent. I feel like it doesn't sound like you rely on chance much, it's more stay the course, keep put in the hours of training and and stay steady, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Yeah, I mean, I think uh, you know, if you if you fall in love with the um like little things and the just everything that happens behind closed doors or in the dark, and you just lay one brick every day, it uh leads to you know success. So um sometimes sometimes it doesn't, because that's also the nature of running uh in the sport that we do. But um, you know, if you if you stay consistent, you know, consistency, you know, they always say is key, and that's you know what I've been trying to get for a very long time. And uh I think I finally have gotten it. Um so um, you know, another months, few months and years of this should uh I should be able to hopefully see what my uh potential is and limit, and uh you know we'll we'll go from there. Awesome. And and how old are you now, Josh? Uh I turned 36 the uh week before Broad Street. So Oh shoot. Yeah, happy birthday. Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

So is that normal for runners to be P PRing and PBing 10 milers at 36? Or is what's the uh that's that's seems like you're only up, only going to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Yeah, I think uh I think um with uh you know training methods now, the shoe technology and stuff, it's allowing runners to run a lot longer and till until an older age. Um I took uh a few years off after college and did triathlon for a while. So my coach always talked about like he's like, you have your physical age, but then you got your running age too, because you haven't beat yourself up for a number of years when other people were. So um I remember, you know, three or four years ago talking to him, and he was like, you know, your best running days are still gonna be like, you know, when you're 37, 38, probably maybe 39 years old. Um, and uh I think now as I'm getting closer to that, I'm you know, not that I didn't believe him before, but it's like, oh, it's you, yeah, you were right. Yeah. So awesome. Uh so I I and I PR'd in two distances this year. So as long as I'm running and PR and I'm not uh I'm not gonna stop.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Yeah, that's so great. Um what's so you're moving right, you said sh soon back close to where you grew up, but close to Philly, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Yeah, so we're we'll be in Jersey um for um her residency. Um, but uh we're living in, we're in Durham now, so we'll basically be here for a month to just finish out our um lease and then by you know June-ish, first, second, whenever, uh, we'll be moving up there and uh I'll be able to finish my, which I'm actually pretty excited about because I'll be able to finish my last month of training up there and be closer to you know a lot of you know my family and you know the chirop my chiropractor that I see all the time and PT and everything. So I think it's uh I think it'll be a good it'll be a good change after being down here for nine years now. So uh from I'm from the area, so it's you know I get to go home and you know, no one I can't go, I can't watch any of the sports stuff down here. They got the blackout stuff. So uh I tried to put on the Phillies game last night, and I last night's game I guess was okay to miss, but yeah, I tried to put it on last night, but I couldn't get it on because it was a blackout, so for the area. So I'm excited for for that stuff too.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Nice, yeah. It's uh it's interesting. I feel like baseball's gotten harder to find games on regular uh TV. You have to sign up for that MLB package, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

That's what I had to do last night, and I was like, well, I'm not gonna sign up. I mean, I'm moving up there too, so I mean, I should have they should have those games on up there.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

Totally, totally. Are you excited about the sports going on right now in Philly? We got the Sixers going tonight, Flyers, you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Yeah, I mean back's against the walls a bit, but I mean, the last there was like they had that one, they had one or Saturday night when the Phillies won or Phillies lost, uh the but the Sixers won, and then the Phillies now have been on a really good streak um after that pretty a nine-game losing streak. So uh it's been a little bit of a roller coaster with them, but you know, I'm pretty confident that Phillies will get it figured out since it's earlier in the season. Um, and I'm hoping you know, the Flyers are down here playing the hurricane, so I can go over to a game. Uh I think we're on game three now, I think it is.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Yeah, I think uh, well, gosh, I think we're on game four coming up. I think it's tomorrow already. Yeah, so yeah, they gotta get they gotta wake up soon here. That's a tough team though.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Yeah, I mean that you wouldn't think that a team in North Carolina would be, you know, that good, but you know, they've been pretty good for the last like four or five years. So um, yeah, they they gotta wake up a little bit, but you know, you know, they they they they I'm not gonna micromanage what they do and be an armchair quarterback. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Yeah, I've noticed some of um folks who do that aren't as uh competitive in their athletics or didn't play a sport competitively. Yeah, you didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

It's a little bit different when you're doing it than when you're sitting there like saying what should be done. It's like, yeah, well, you know, it's a little bit it's a little it's a little bit harder to try and run that 420 last mile if you'd run a bunch of 430s. It's not as easy as it sounds, yeah, or or whatever they might be doing on the field or on the court, so or on the ice.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Totally. Totally. I um I'm wondering if you uh do you still do any of the uh the uh agility stuff with the the dogs with your dongs?

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Yeah, I haven't done it now for a little bit just because we moved and I was like two plus hours away from where I was doing a lot of the training stuff with them. And then like when you know I basically wasn't working, I was like, okay, I gotta cut like that cost out, unfortunately. So um, but now that uh we'll be moving and uh you know I'm running for ASICs and my fiance's, you know, gonna finish up our third year residency. We can uh get back into doing some more of those like uh enjoyable things, stuff that we like to do outside of just running and stuff like that. But uh yeah, they're uh they uh and we, you know, so um it it's uh it's it's all gonna be uh good going forward. So I'm excited about a lot, even that stuff too. So a lot of that stuff that you don't think about that you didn't get to do before that's gonna get reintroduced back into your life. So uh all good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Wonderful. Uh I'm so pumped for you. Um, all these positive things on your radar. And yeah, what's uh what's the goal? What's do you have a big goal in mind? It's I mean, Olympics are 2029 this next cycle. 2028. Coming up.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

Um where where's your head at with that? And uh what's the aim?

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Um yeah. Um, I mean, I uh my run the other day was really, you know, was really good. And um I uh, you know, after I think this is probably uh you we'll probably talk about the race like last, like publicly and everything. Um, but just because I I don't like to, well, like to like dwell or not dwell, but like think about that and like get complacent in anyway. So um I'm ready to after this week of down week and like being able to enjoy the race and everything, get back to work now for the next eight weeks going into uh Gold Coast Marathon, where um I'd like to have a pretty sizable uh PR after you know uh LA being really hot. Last year when I went to Gold Coast, I had stomach issues and was forced into the bathroom. So uh I'm hoping that this will be another one where all everything can come together and have a good day. But uh I'm kind of just taking it one training cycle, one race at a time. Um and I feel like if I can can stay on this same uh trajectory that I've been on over the last, you know, since the turn of the year, um, when the trials come around in 2028, I'll be in the good position to make a run at the team. Um, because I was uh I was eighth last time and I was you know 72 seconds in the marathons a lot, but not that much. I feel like I could have made that up somewhere within the race over a couple miles or 10 miles or so. Um so uh I feel like uh this this go-around could be uh a special day and hopefully make the team and it'd be really nothing better than being able to stay. I mean, everyone likes to travel for races, but nothing being able cooler than the middle of stay at home and race in LA. So uh I'm hoping it can come together then. But uh that's that's a that's a ways off. So a lot of lot more bricks to lay and training to do between now and then. So uh, you know, everyone in the running world is running really well. So uh, you know, I'm just trying to do my part.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Nice. Excellent. And so you'll be in the Philly area, uh Jersey, Philly, um for the Philly 10K. Will you run the Philly 10K this year?

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Yeah, I mean, my my plan post-Gold Coast is we'll probably figure out some I'm gonna I'm gonna try and loosely the plan is to run the Gold Coast marathon um in July, um, and then come back and then uh go after a fast uh half this fall um and then do probably a marathon in like December time. Um so but I'll probably I'll definitely do um Philly 10K just to, you know, I just love the race, first off. Um, so that that's my main reason for doing it, but it's also be good just to like get a race in, you know, kind of shake off the dust a little bit after uh um the uh uh the Gold Coast Marathon, and then um I'll probably do PDR uh a few weeks later. So um I'm excited to have the opportunity just to be in the area to just hop on over to any of those races on a weekend and be able to do them. Probably do, you know, something at uh marathon weekend. So yeah. But wonderful, yeah. Philly 10K I'll definitely do again. I was supposed to do it last year, but I had a hamstring injury, so I had to pull out of it. So but I was signed up.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Nice. Okay. Yeah, that's uh it's always one of my favorite races just because of the uh the after party. They do a good job.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Yeah, no, I it's a great race, and I love that it's just like it's kind of if I kind of feels contained there on it's you know, it's a big loop course, but it's pretty contained there on South Street. So it's uh, you know, there's not too many, there's no other race that really in Philly that doesn't like start like Over by the art museum, other than Broad Street, but all of them kind of start over there by the art museum, like Love Run and uh Hot Chocolate Run, I think starts over there. They all marathon weekends there. So it's cool that it's like actually in the city.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Yeah. Love that. Yeah, it's it's really unique. It's a it's a great one. I um I've got a knee injury myself, but if I could manage that, I'm I'm hoping I'll see you there. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Yeah, I think I think I saw that on one of the stuff you posted you were talking about that you said you had a uh knee thing going on. So it's yeah, coming around.

SPEAKER_00 44:34

Yeah, so I uh I've had four knee surgeries from wrestling. Okay, all meniscus. And um, you know, it's yoga's been a godsend. Like that's kind of my pillar, that's what allows me to even run. And um, you know, I did a a dumb thing too. I was kind of trying to see if I could ramp up my capacity and mileage without hurting myself, without even a race on my radar to see if I could get up towards, you know, uh a marathon training cycle uh type of capacity to see if I could even get there and then try to sign up for a marathon after the fact. Yeah, yeah. But uh, but yeah, I think I um overdid it a little bit. Um and it's I signed up for a half marathon with my brother in McKinney, Texas.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

That's the one I saw.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was it was good, you know. I I didn't hobble over the finish line. So that's I got to uh run the whole time and uh the knee was stiff and but yeah, it was it was it felt it felt okay, you know. I I thought it was gonna be way worse, you know. I had to really work it out, stretch it out afterwards. I think if I didn't do that, that would be uh a lot worse. And um yeah, and there was this relay race up here in in upstate New York around one of the finger lakes, it's 77.7 miles. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, seven, seven of us. It's uh each ran three legs of the race. Oh okay. Yeah, and it's uh you know the distance what's that? What was that one? That was uh that was two two weeks ago only. Okay, I think. Yeah, so uh it's this weird kind of race. It's it's really fun and interesting, but uh you guys like that are always fun. That's it was all day, and uh the Cornell uh team smoked everybody, but yeah, uh you know, the hills, like the hills up here in the wind um are pretty intense.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

Well, it's hilly up there.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

It's very hilly. So like the south end of these lakes, I think the way the glaciers kind of formed the topography. Okay, like the southern end of these lakes are all very deep. Uh the lakes themselves, they're like this one's 400 feet deep, that one over there, uh, that we ran around, Seneca is 600 feet deep. And so, like down by Ithaca, yeah, and Watkins Glen, those those hills kind of map similar to the lake depth. It's very hilly. Um more than rolling. Yes, yeah. And uh, you know, I had they had given me a a pretty an easier um easier legs because of my knee, but you know, those distances were like anywhere between like a 5k and like five miles, only three, three of them, uh three different legs. And so yeah, I don't know what you're doing next year, but we need seven people. We I don't know, you might probably scare me off there with all those hills. Yeah, you can take the hills, yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty intense uh with the hills up here, but uh you know, I I love the child like having something to aim for, like with running, even like as a recreational, like I don't even like to bring up the fact I run with folks like you because it seems like so uh like just for funds. Uh but but it's yeah, it's nice to have like something on the radar to kind of aim for, even like as a recreational runner, you know?

SPEAKER_01 48:29

I mean, anytime you got a Gold of War 4, it's good, you know, it kind of kind of keeps you accountable and uh you know to get out there every day and just you have a it gives a little bit more purpose to what you're doing, right? They're kind of aimlessly just running. Not that it is aimlessly, but you know, a lot of people like to have that carrot in front of them, myself included.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And uh you find that little extra race day you find out where you're capable, right? It's yeah, something amazing about that feeling. Yeah. The runner's high is a real thing, boy. Like after that race, I felt great for like a couple days, you know?

SPEAKER_01 49:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's true. And it's a great, it's great that you can get that from like a run too, not something like that is probably not as good for you to do.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

Yes, totally, totally. So yeah, I um I'm hoping, I know I taught to you last, was it last year or two years ago?

SPEAKER_01 49:23

I remember it was probably two years or year and a half ago.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

Okay, yeah. I um I'm still hoping, you know, holding out hope that I could rest this knee, recover, and get out there for uh my first marathon. I'm still I'm still aiming towards that.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

So yeah, I mean, there's a lot of bumps on the road to a marathon, even when I mean I've had it for you know eight eight years of just trying to figure it out. So you're not alone. So if you just stick with it, you'll find you'll find a formula that works for you and you know it'll be here.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

Yeah, I think at this age in my injury history, I think forcing those rest days are crucial.

SPEAKER_01 50:07

Yeah, I mean, rest is, I mean, you get better on workout days, but the rest days are where you make the adaptation from the workout, so it's as important, uh, if not more. I mean, I I re my my easy runs or recovery runs are pretty pretty easy by comparison to where I race at. So I think I did my recovery run. I ran 430 pace on Sunday, and my next morning my recovery run was 830 pace. So I was almost running twice as slow. So but my body wanted, and that's what it needed, and it was it was totally fine.

unknown 50:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Do you did you feel sore after at all or any residual um I think like if I was to go run hard, I would have felt fatigued, but I wasn't too sore post-race or um my legs actually felt really good the next day. Um, but uh, you know, I just I knew it was recovery, so that's why I ran slow. Um, but they actually felt pretty good. I did like a moderate workout, or not moderate workout, I did like some strides within my run on uh Tuesday, um, and those felt good. So uh, you know, on my first uh real long run coming next Tuesday. So that'll that'll be the test to see where everything's where everything's sitting post-race. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Awesome. And you do anything to celebrate uh Broad Street win, or do you pretty much business as usual?

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Uh I mean, I went to the tailgate afterwards, which was fun. Um, and then uh yeah, I mean, I just you know, I went home and then uh you know, I was my celebrating was kind of just you know, my fiance was in town, she raced Broad Street too, and she had a big PR. So we were able to celebrate her run too. And then um because I've been down here for so many years and stuff, I got to, you know, it was nice to spend more time with my brother and uh my family. So uh that was kind of the you know celebration for uh if you consider it one, but it was that was pretty much a celebration and it was just like you know, still back to work the next morning, and then in between, no, I got to, you know, we got to you know go to dinner, you know, hang out with him. So, you know, it was it was it was good, but but nothing nothing crazy, just super low-key. Awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

Well, glad to hear all everything's going well with you, man. It's uh real pleasure to watch you uh succeed and good things come your way with ASICs and fiance and moves. And uh I always kind of curious how you're doing with the the running. And I saw the zap thing happen, and I was like, oh boy, what's next? Uh like where does one go? Like, I don't know anything about this business. And uh awesome to see you not only land on your feet, but gosh darn it, man, you are doing great, man. It's so sweet to see. Um it's a good time to be a Josh fan.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

Yeah, it's it's been a it was it's been a stressful, but uh the last month, like I said, has been has been good. So I'm I'm I'm happy and I'm really excited for the future. And you know, I just uh you know, it's having a you know have it takes a village to do this, you know, and it's nice when other people around you are like, you know, I remember telling a few people, like, you know, you know, the Zap's closing down and they're like, you you can't quit. Like you gotta figure you, we'll figure this out. And uh, you know, having other people, you know, that mean a lot to me say that, you know, means a lot. So um, yeah, um, that that's uh that helped through that time too. But uh yeah, it's uh it's been a good I'm excited for the future. I'm excited to see you run your first marathon too.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Now that we said it, it's gonna it's gotta happen.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

We're gonna roll this into existence.

SPEAKER_00 53:41

Yes, yeah, totally. Yeah. I uh yeah, man. I I might be uh asking you, I don't know. I think you brought up uh a marathon in uh Minnesota. Grandma's grandma's marathon, it's in uh it's in mid-June.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

Mid-June, okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

I'm kind of uh a bit late for that. But but next next year, I mean that gives you time to train, get ready, get the knee better, and uh it's a beautiful course, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:11

That's right, yeah. Philly's and mid-November, I think. It's on the weekend right before Thanksgiving. Okay, yeah. I mean, I would love it if uh this knee. It's it's I'm shocked it's not I haven't gotten imaging of I'm just really kind of rehabbing it myself, like DIY. Yeah, so um, but yeah, man, I I really hope. Um I've it's tempting to there's a a half marathon in Ithaca in the beginning of June, but I don't know. I'll see if the knee I don't know if I should do that just yet, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

I mean, I give it a I'd wait another week or so to see how it's how it's progressing. If you're starting to see like more rapid progress with it, maybe, but um my my my history always says I'm probably better off being safe because I'll send myself back, but that's me.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

Yeah, yeah, man. I I I'm similar and I just you know just get excited. I had all this these plans like with races, and uh it's the hardest part, I'm sure, for someone like yourself who's like professional, I imagine, is if uh you get hurt, you know, it's it's uh a mental thing.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

It's hard anytime you get hurt when you're trying to do something that you love. I mean, you know, it's like you can't you can't do something, you can't do it. So it's just you know you just get bummed.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Totally.

SPEAKER_01 55:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:37

So yeah, hopefully I could be patient and uh get all healed up for for uh the next one, I hope. But uh but yeah, I uh wanted uh ask you while I got you here. Do you have any suggestions? Do you have uh uh wearable a watch that you prefer to use?

SPEAKER_01 55:56

Yeah, I've been wearing um Chorus now for a while, and I I like it just because it's pretty uh it's pretty straightforward, it's very user-friendly, and it's just it's just an app. You know, you just scan the little QR code, it pulls everything up for you when you set it up and you're good to go. Um, so I like I like I like Chorus. Um, but uh my fiance uses Garmin and Garmin's got a lot of great data too. I know there's a few other new watches out there now, but I haven't I have no knowledge of what they're like or anything. Um but uh yeah, I've been using I've been using Chorus and I've liked it.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

So okay. Yeah. I see that come up on uh some of my friends Strava that they use that. So yeah, I'll check it out.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

I think it's a I think it's just uh I think all the GKS watches now are pretty pretty good. Um and it's just like a personal personal preference to what you like, what sort of how much data you want, you know, what your everyone's everyone's a little bit different.

SPEAKER_00 56:50

So Okay. Yeah. Cool. Um yeah, any if folks want to find you, Josh, if they want to support you, where should we where should we point them?

SPEAKER_01 57:01

Uh is Instagram good or yeah, I mean, I probably post most stuff about what I'm doing on Instagram. Um and I've been trying to I've been trying to get better about uh Strava, um like putting or responding to uh stuff in because usually it just like I don't go on there that often. It uh my run uploads, it goes there. Um so I've been trying to be better about it, and uh but uh uh I gotta work on it a little bit. But uh the best place is definitely probably Instagram um to just reach out. And if I don't reach uh get back to you, just reach out again because I probably just saw it and forgot to respond or said I'll respond in 10 minutes when I'm done walking the dogs and yeah, then it's three weeks.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

So it's not the same way, yeah. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Yeah, okay. So uh but yeah, otherwise, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

Well, I would uh love to catch up with you if I could uh you would be probably on your second beer by the time I finish the Philly 10k. But but if you happen to be in Philly, man, I'd love to to catch up and uh and chat, maybe grab a beer or something with you.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Yeah, for sure. I'll be um I'll uh I'll be figuring out that uh I mean I'll be doing the race, but uh I'll let I'll let you know when I'm officially signed up and everything, um, and good to go. So my the immediate future right now is uh getting uh getting a place to live in, getting a place to live up north. So we're going through looking for places now. So oh man, good yeah, good on you. Are you gonna rent or are you gonna try and uh to buy a spot? Uh we're gonna rent since it'll be a year, and then um when she's done, um I'm lucky that I can pretty much be wherever I want. Um so um if she happens to be like, you know, get a job in Pennsylvania or you know, somewhere in the surrounding area up there that we can move and be close to there. So it's not a long commute every day. So uh unfortunately it's another year of renting. So yeah. Okay. Jersey is a hard place to rent with their uh laws and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, they just got like uh you know realtor fees and all sorts of like stuff to just make just seems like they're just trying to make money, but so it'll be a year and it'll be fine. So and it's it's a better, it's a better situation overall for um for for her especially, and then um for me running wise too. So I'm I'm excited and uh it's gonna be it's gonna be it's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_00 59:41

Awesome. Well, very, very pumped for you, very happy to uh hear you're doing so well and to see all your success. And gosh, man, congrats again, like unbelievable this uh Broad Street race. I uh I I saw that time and I had to do a double check. A double so so incredible, man. And uh very, very cool. Yeah, my pleasure.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

And uh I'm glad to hear that uh everything's going well for you too. And I hope the knee is uh better soon so you can get uh we can get this marathon in and uh yeah, when I'm up there, we can uh we'll grab a beer when I'm up there uh for the race and uh uh catch up then some more.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

That's that sounds great. I I do appreciate you coming on and uh and sharing with everybody your your experience and uh and what it was like and everything. It uh it means a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:33

Yeah, no, I it was great. I'm I'm happy to I'm happy to share and uh anyone that's got any questions, they can definitely uh reach out about whatever, and I'll do my best to help.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

Awesome. Well, much appreciated, sir. I will uh let you get up to the rest of your Friday. And uh yeah, I'd love to uh to circle back and do this again sometime soon.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Yeah, definitely. Just let me know and uh I'll uh I'll I'll hit you up and we can uh we'll figure it out, we'll make it work.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:03

Wonderful. All right, Josh. Great to see you, man. Great to see you too. Have a good day. All right, take care.

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Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

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